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Monday, October 02, 2006

Republicans being Played Like A Drum

To BE Updated-
Ok I am hitting this cluster of a Page scandal now. First some disclosure and a few of my positions

I know Congressman Alexander and know a couple of his present and former staff. I live about 15 minutes from his district. Congressman Alexander is of course the person that sponsered the boy that had the first email that was controversal and caused the the current scandal to come to light. I have spent a enormous part of the morning having to defend him against smear tactics. The same thing right now is occuring on a National level.

Congressman Foley's conduct ,in my opinion with the facts we know, though maybe not criminal was a breach of trust and his resigination was the right thing to do. I am not defending Congressman Foley's actions.

A quick message to certain segments of the conservative community. It appears to me there are some that are using this as a opportunity to purge the Republican party of high ranking officials that are either gay or bisexual. Further some are using it as a excuse to maybe get rid of Republican leadership you don't like. My advice quite honestly is to take a hike. If you have that view please go the the blogactives blogs of the world. They are your allies. Yall have different goals but the means of "outing" you both share. I will not be a part of that witchhunt.

The Press-
If Republicans can't see what is going on then I think you have to be blind. Over the past weekend I have seen emails and alleged IM's and their content intentionally confused by the media.
Example 1- The email sent to the page of Congressman Alexander when the page was 16. Nothing in it was criminal and it all had a innocent explaination. Hasert was informed though of the Page's discomfort and he told Foley not to contact him any more. What else was he suppose to do? If I was in Haserts place I would have done the exact same thing nothing more nothing less. Unless Hasert has magical powers , I am not sure how he would know about these IM's that are years old that now just magiclly made an appearance.
However because of intentional misinformation by the press, this poor Monroe Louisiana kid is attributed to engaging in a conversation that took place years before where that 17 year old told
Foley "he was Horny too". Pretty sick.

If Speaker Hasert knew of this misconduct then he should resign. But I will be damned if what is becoming more apparent by the hour that he is going to resign over IM's that no one but the Democrat operatives and sick sites like knew about for months. Sorry folks I am not playing that game.

I am going to update this thread all day and share what I have discovered. If you think Hasert's head should roll over the facts we know now so be it. But I am not going with the panic or the mob right now.

Just remember every privately gay or bisexual Republican is at risk right now. The left knows how to exploit that in our own ranks. The issue is not if homosexuality is right or wrong but simple decency and privacy. I know of one gay congressman in the House. He is closeted. I don't think his privacy shouldn't be at risk because of a couple of pages making comments like"watch out for congressman X he is queer". That is not the situation here but it is the bar of proof I am rapidly being seen set right now. Ditto for HetrosexualCongressman.

Because of some conversations I have had with people in the know this morning I am very concerned. What is happening is SICK and is a threat to civil political discourse. That is about to come out and it should scare the heck out of anyone that dares to put their voice in the public square.

If Speaker Hasert and the Republican leadership did not live up to their responsibilty I will be the first to demand their removal. But right now I am going with the idea of not listening to the mob that is demanding that heads roll regardless of the facts

To be Updated-

-Trancript of email that Hasert and Congressman Alexander knew about-
The e-mails were sent from Foley's personal AOL account, and the exchange began within weeks after the page finished his program on Capitol Hill
"did you have fun at your conference…what do you want for your birthday coming up…what stuff do you like to do."
"how are you weathering the hurricane…are you safe…send me an email pic of you as well
…" PDF's available at the link.
That is it as to the facts we know. This seems to indicate to me that the Speaker did the correct action. When I worked in the legislature it was not umcommon for State Reps too give gifts to favorite pages or have similar type seniments. They were not out to get them in bed.

My Concerns-
More and more of what is going on behind the scenes is on the blogs-
First go to American Thinker- This required reading to understand why many of us are getting more inflamed by the minute. To get more angry go here for the update.

Why are the Republicans taking a beating when these alleged IM's and email's(sorry I am sticking with the fact much of this stuff hasnt been released) is appearing on strange web sites that seem to have Dem connections.

In the coming days, you shall hear me reference such sites as If there are levels of hell , people like them shall occupy it lowest level in my book. I have been monitering that site and similar sites for about a year because of concerns over a certain politician well being I am concerned about. the Stratasphere has a small post on this blog.

Freakin AP has done it again here. Notice that email is in the title. Not instant messages. Why is that important? Because Hassert and out Louisiana Congressman were aware of the email I posted. But not the im's that are more troubling. What is being referenced is the IM's in the content of the piece. Not the email sent to the ex page in Louisiana ABC did something similar just a hour ago. WAKE UP FOLKS

An interesting and important side line and this confirms what was told to me this morning-
Turns out that ABC's headline that GOP Staff warned pages back in 2001 is incorrect-

More dubious Conservative talk from the Washington Times-
Also Monday, several prominent conservatives called for Hastert's resignation, the conservative newsweekly Human Events reported. They included David Bossie, president of Citizens United, and Michael Reagan, a son of former President Ronald Reagan and a conservative columnist.
"Any member of Congress who was aware of the sexual e-mails and protected the congressman should also resign effective immediately," Reagan said. "I was sexually abused by a day camp counselor at age 8 and also made to be part of child pornography
May I make a humble suggestion here. Human events and Yes Ronald Reagan Jr are not exactly Hasert fans. Again notice the confusion of the email and the im's. Sorry not ready to join the mob yet.

Remember when I talked about Conservatives using this scandal for their own agenda. Well good ole Louisiana boy now DC big shot Tony Perkins has stepped into it.

Democrats seeking to exploit the resignation of Rep. Mark Foley (R-FL) are right to criticize the slow response of Republican congressional leaders to his communications with male pages. But neither party seems likely to address the real issue, which is the link between homosexuality and child sexual abuse. Foley, an unmarried 52-year-old representative, had always refused to answer questions about his sexual orientation. Now that his emails and messages to teenage male pages have been revealed, it appears clear that Foley is a homosexual with a particular attraction to underage boys. While pro-homosexual activists like to claim that pedophilia is a completely distinct orientation from homosexuality, evidence shows a disproportionate overlap between the two. Although almost all child molesters are male and less than 3% of men are homosexual, about a third of all child sex abuse cases involve men molesting boys--and in one study, 86% of such men identified themselves as homosexual or bisexual. Ignoring this reality got the Catholic Church into trouble over abusive priests, and now it is doing the same to the House GOP leadership. They discounted or downplayed earlier reports concerning Foley's behavior--probably because they did not want to appear "homophobic." The Foley scandal shows what happens when political correctness is put ahead of protecting children.
Interpretation of the above- We want to have a political climate where the the Family Research Counsel can go after gay republicans just like the radical gay groups do. Also notice he is misstating the facts of this incident

Sorry folks. I knew this was going to come out of on this Foley stuff. I believe homosexuality is wrong . I am against gay marriage. But I will be damned if I start participating in a witch hunt in the Republican party and start "outing" people. I am a Christian and yes I am even a conservative almost "Christian righ"t voting Christian. But Tony Perkins using this for his own agenda makes me ill. I had enough of him when he was down here. Thanks Tony- This is going to help the party
Full disclosure here. After working in a Senate race where Tony Perkins was the Opponent and after seeing him up close in the Louisiana legislature , I am not a big fan of Tony. That might offend a few people that think the sun rises and falls on T Perkins but I saw a different side.

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Blogger we saw that... said...

hmm so its okay with you that a congressional pedo pervert is cyber sexin your 16 year old kid and if thats not bad enough - the house leadership namely denny hastert didnt conduct an immediate and comprehensive investigation thus leaving even more children over the years exposed to predation by the congressman. hmmm. yeah sounds like typical republican values. whos protecting the children? looks like the page program to congress is just a fresh meat society. hastert and alexander should resign.

4:29 PM  
Blogger Pondering American said...

That is insame and if you to the last link on I post as to the ABC story that shows it is incorrect

ALso get the facts straight. Where is the cyber sex in the message to the 16 year old kid? Keep looking it is not there.

Alexander did what was correct here. AN immediate investrigation because a Congressman emails a former page. Jeez

4:45 PM  
Blogger we saw that... said...

yes when its common knowledge which it was known to looks like everyone in congress - the congressman's pattern for child sexual predation. the ones that covered it up are just as guilty. also anything that causes sexual titillation is wrong which is what the emails instant messages do. still sounds like you are soft on internet child sexual grooming.

5:36 PM  
Blogger Pondering American said...

Well it soesnt look like it was known at all that he had a thing for male pages.

The Head of the PAGE alumni association even says that.

Was it known he was gay yes!!!

I ama not defending the IM's That was wrong. The problem is no knew about the IM's. Including Hassert.

THe email was sent to a ex page. There was nothing sexual about it . He felt uncomfortable. He tells Alexander Alexander tells Hassert. Hasert confronts Foley. He gives a plausible explaination. Hassert said dont contact him anymore.

What am I am missing here

5:50 PM  

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