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Tuesday, October 03, 2006

Ex Page In Louisiana Getting Death Threats

Well this is wonderful isn't it. The local Newspaper reports

Rep. Rodney Alexander said a former male House page from Monroe has received threats since reports surfaced Friday that former Congressman Mark Foley sent him inappropriate e-mails.
"This teenager and his family have gone through hell," Alexander, R-Monroe, said Monday. "It's just not fair that they got caught up in this and became casualties. His mother is just broken up by it. Naturally, she's concerned about her child."

Foley, R-Fla., resigned on Friday after reports were published about the e-mails connected to the Monroe teenager, who's now 17. Though the e-mails to the Monroe page weren't sexually explicit, it was later revealed that Foley did send sexually explicit e-mails to other pages as early as 2003. Neither the Monroe teenager nor his family responded to interview requests from The News-Star, but Alexander said he talked to the teenager's mother, as well as the FBI, on Monday. Alexander wouldn't say what type of threats the teenager was receiving or the source of the threats.
Alexander twice reported the e-mails from Foley to the House leadership, including Speaker Dennis Hastert,
which Hastert and others confirmed, as well as to the boy's parents.
"My first job was protecting the innocence of that young man and his family," Alexander said. "When I informed the family, they said they were aware of the situation and told me that they weren't going to pursue it because of the harm that it could do to their son."
In the e-mails, Foley asked the page how he was doing after Hurricane Katrina and what he wanted for his birthday. The congressman also asked the boy to send a photo of himself.
Though not expressly sexual, Alexander said the e-mails "made me feel uneasy. It wasn't normal for a 45-year-old man to be sending those e-mails to a 16-year-old, which is why I informed the House leadership."
"The young man clearly felt that the e-mails were creepy, which is why he notified our office."
In an e-mail to an Alexander staffer, the page called Foley's e-mails "sick" 13 times.
Alexander said that he believes he took appropriate action by informing the House leadership and the boy's parents about the e-mails, but wouldn't pass judgment on the House leadership's actions since then.
"If they were only acting on what we talked about ... I just don't know," Alexander said. "I knew that I did what I felt like we needed to do."
Hastert said he didn't pursue the matter at the parents' request, which Alexander confirmed, but Hastert also said he never saw the contents of the e-mails.
"Nobody ever asked me to see the e-mails," Alexander said.
Alexander said he would have done more if he had known about the explicit e-mails sent to other pages two years earlier.
"We knew nothing about the instant messages," Alexander said. "That blew my mind."
Alexander did say that any member of Congress who did know about the explicit instant messages sent in 2003 and didn't take action "should be removed. The question that needs to be answered is who had possession of those instant messages for two or three years and didn't do anything about them?"
Louisiana's 5th District congressman said he hasn't spoken to any member of House leadership since the story broke on Friday.
Alexander wouldn't say whether or not he felt like the leadership was disappointed that he came forward with the information a month before congressional elections that could affect the balance of the House.
"I didn't think as much about what it would do to Congress as to what it might do to the young man and his family," Alexander said. "This needed to be flushed out

A few thoughts on this. As I stated earlier what is being done to this young man is far worse than anything Rep Foley ever did to him. To keep saying that Foley is the main culprit currently causing pages distress is at this point is ludricous.

As the American Thinker stated yesterday,"The timing of the two-step release is critical to the political efficaciousness of the operation. The public is being led to conflate the different sets of correspondence (mildly inappropriate emails versus salacious IM messages), leading most people to believe the sexually explicit stuff was what Hastert had seen."

Well it is working. As I also stated one can go to the major political forums and the state wide ones too and see the confusion bearing full fruit. Most people believe this poor North Louisiana kid is not only gay but engaged in all this salacious im'ing and some think he was part of some plot. All because the media wants to confuse his emails with the im's that occured even before he was on the scene in DC.

The media though is not the only culprit. As the American Thinker laid out so well yesterday the true culprits in this matter are extremist democrats engaging in some very dirty pool. At least I hope those Dems are renegades because if they are establishment it shows us how low they have fallen.

However I am sad to say that the Dems and the radical gay elements are not the only sick individuals in this little affair. Certain conservatives in the party are misrepresenting the facts also or at least blurrying them in order to obtain a power grab. I can't come to any other conclusion really. The Washington Times instead of commending Hasert for asking for a Justice Dept investigation is asking for his resignation. Human Events got into the act by blurring the facts for their own agenda. Even WorldnetDaily decided to take time from warning us how George Bush has a secret plot to form an North American Union and gave us the headline of GOP unworthy of governing. Richard Viguree was on CNN yesterday to talk about the Page scandal but all it was a rant against the GOP leadership. Well forgive me if I don't buy all this poppycock that is being done under the guise of morality. This is basically the crowd that squacks like deranged parrot demanding "conservative purity test" and proclaims every Republican that doesn't roll over like a dog to their every utterance is a RINO. We need less Republicans on TV trying to unseat Hasert and more asking for the facts. Perhaps we just need less of them on TV period and let the Justice Dept investigation take its course.

The majority of conservatives are not doing this and we that should be noted. However they don't make good TV for the 24/7 News networks and the radio shows. That being said Kudos to Rep Rodney Alexander who has and is acting in a honorable and correct way. Rodney used to be a good ole fashion conservative Piney Hills Louisiana Democrat. He got elected to DC and after being told by Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi he had no leeway to vote his principles told her to stuff it and ran as a Republican. He won and will easily win reelection this year.

In the end lets remember despite the ambitions of a few conservatives, the ones that are using this scandal in a unethical way are the Democrats. I think this literally from the Democrat playbook says it best.

(1). Pay no heed to the distinction between the e-mails and IMs. There's no evidence (yet) that any Republican leaders knew about Foley's cybersex IMs. There's plenty of evidence that they knew how uncomfortable the "overly friendly" e-mails made at least one page. So the Dems will press the GOP on what they knew about the former and will constantly, in their press releases, refer to the "GOP's knowledge of the sexually explicit e-mails."
2. Enlarge the wedge between House leaders. The tension this weekend between Speaker Dennis Hastert and NRCC chair Tom Reynolds was thick. Dems want it to suffocate the party and throw the Republicans even further off their game

At the end lets us return to that poor little ole kid from North Louisiana. He should be dating girls and going to Friday night football games. Not getting death threats. The above Dem playbook talking points is not helping matters.

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is just a simple question - but if you knew that I (your next door neighbor) discovered that my law partner was contacting another neighbor's 12 year old daughter, asking her to send pitcures of herself and commenting on how cute one of her friends were - and that I had read the emails myself and knew that it was true - - - - would you think it to be sufficient to contact the Louisiana Bar's ethics committee. Would you say that I handled it honorablly. On the other hand, would you be angry that I had evidence of a possible crime against a minor, requiring my immediate attention and action? With all due respect, it seems that Congressman Alexander washed his hands of the problem until the truth surfaced and now he is showing public outrage in his colleague. This young man was Congressman Alexander's responsibility. He brought the young man to D.C. He exposed this young man to a community of Nietzschean Supermen and now has exposed him to the media and (apparently) death threats. I am sorry that I think that it could have been handled better - but I do. An honorable gentleman who will easily be re-elected - sigh - -

2:30 PM  
Blogger Pondering American said...

I will answer that

I dont recall any talk of Foley saying that the Louisiana boy was cute or talking about him to other people. That would have sent off more warning signs.

In the background of this we have reports of pages males and female where pictures were requested. This might sound creepy but to be honest one could see that people like to have them to remember people by. In some ways his conduct as to that email is not all that strange from Louisiana Legislators who took a interest in their pages well being that I observed. They were not out to get them in bed either. However in this day and age it is viewed with suscpison.

In the end the email was tame enough that really not much could be done in my view. One should consider that if Alexander really wanted to keep this quiet he would have gone to Foley himself and told him to stop. Not even following offical channels.

As to your example that would raise alarm bells. That conduct to a child of that age would be troubling. But lets be real here.There is a difference between a 16 old male and a 12 year old girl. There is a concept called mentoring that occurs in that age group.
What we know about the email it seems that appropriate action was taken. It appears news organization that had the story for months also though so because they never printed it. See the St Petersburg Times for instance.

Was it a judgment call? Of course it was. But I see nothing in Alexander's motives that show he did not have the best and proper motives

2:47 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I respectfully suggest that there is more to this than you are aware - check the breaking news!

3:30 PM  
Blogger SJ Reidhead said...

I feel for this kid. But, I do have one comment. Why did he return the IMs? The big problem is kids don't have the maturity to know how to handle things - which is why what Foley did was so reprehensible.

I will not back down on my feelings about Hastert. He is almost as guilty as Foley for not investigating things a year ago, I don't care how 'innocent' they appear.

You won't get an argument from me that the Dem operatives who with-held information about the abuse, then released it to the public they way did are in the least bit innocent. I think a criminal investigation is needed there, too.

The Pink Flamingo

3:41 PM  
Blogger Pondering American said...

Yes I saw those IM's earlier. It is a part of the Drip Drip Drip stragedy. In fact it has been commented on that this could backfire.

It would seem that instead of the parties that have these im's turning them all over at one time or better yet give it to the justice department or authorities they are releasing them a bit by bit to keep the story going. Great tactics really. However, I am not sure how this evidence being with held and only coming out in drips is helping law enforcement get to the bottom of this.

I suspect we shall see more of this. I also am expecting some more allegations to slowly come out.
It is apparent what is going on

3:45 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well - I will keep my focus clear - I am disappointed in Congressman Alexander's response to a ward's needs - - - you apparently disagree:
"That being said Kudos to Rep Rodney Alexander who has and is acting in a honorable and correct way. Rodney used to be a good ole fashion conservative Piney Hills Louisiana Democrat. He got elected to DC and after being told by Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi he had no leeway to vote his principles told her to stuff it and ran as a Republican. He won and will easily win reelection this year."

As such, we must agree to disagree.

And to the blogger called "Pink Flamingo" - Please remember the effect that superiority has in a relationship - any relationship. This young man went to Washington to learn and to get a little extra boost should he want to join the realm of politics. I am properly very timid about angering a member of Congress. I am fairly sure that pages are as well. That - and a patient will frequently be attracted to a physician - but the physician knows, or is taught, to never abuse such a position. A victim is a victim - always. Consider the reasoning behind the laws known as statutory rape. The fact that Mr. Foley may not have touched a young man does not make his sexual colloquy and banter any less bothersome for me. The consent of a minor is never an excuse.

4:13 PM  
Blogger Pondering American said...

Well you make some good points. I agree with some of them.

What has appalled me about Foley is that he violated the breach of trust and abused his authority. It might have never entered his mind that he was intimidating young men but because of his position he prob did. I am glad he is gone. I have no problem with that and good riddance.

But the issue is not so much Foley anymore. There are issues of entrapment and lines ones doesnt cross in civil society.

The issues are this to me.

As to Hasert. He has called for a the Justice Dept to investigate what who when etc. I for one can wait to see those results. There is too much heads have to roll mentality in this era. I saw that during Hurricane Katrina. People were concerned about the blame game than getting the solution

If Hasert covered it up he needs to be gone. I highly suspect that we shall see some Republican staff in the Congress that might be involved in it. Again I am waiting.

As to Alexander yes I say Kudos. First lets be clear. These emails did not occur when the kid was up there in DC. This occured back here in this District. I have looked at it and basically I don't know what could have been done differently. The emails were tame and the parents didnt want their kid to be in the media spotlight. The wards needs I realize you are concerned about. So am I. However the PARENTS are ones in charge of that. Rodney dealt with the parents I think in a appropiate manner. Imagine this:

Rodney says the heck with the parents and the kid wishes and says " that congressman sent him a email asking for a picture so damn the topedeos we are having a investigation":. Sorry not buying it. Investigations in DC even internal ones get public in a real hurry. In the end what would have they found? Well certain newspaers who had this info found nothing. Therefore they didnt print.

From what has been revealed I can't see that a threshold was passed where other action should have been called for. Again a judgment call but one when one takes out the 20/20 hindsight seems the correct one.

If Rodney knew something more concrete or he is involved in asking the parents to cover it up. Then that is a different story

4:55 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have read and respect your opinion. I assure you: I am not into the politics. I am disturbed about this trend regarding the abuse of pages. 16 or not. A historical review shows us that young people are manipulated in Congress. Regardless of hindsight, I want my elected representatives to protect the things that are the most important: the lives of American Citizens and the well-being of our youth, seniors, and wards by their very station (e.g., seamen, railroad workers, etc.).

Forgive my curtness, but I would have gone to Mr. Foley and said, "Damn it Mark stop it!"

And why did Alexander go to the party leadership?

""However, both Majority Leader John Boehner and New York Rep. Tom Reynolds, who heads the House Republicans' re-election campaign, said they had spoken with Hastert about a complaint concerning a former page from Louisiana last spring after being hold about it by Rep. Rodney Alexander, R-La., who had sponsored the teen.

"I believe I talked to the speaker and he told me it had been taken care of," Boehner said in an interview Tuesday on radio station WLW in Cincinnati. "My position is it's in his corner, it's his responsibility."

Reynolds insisted several times in a Monday night news conference in his Buffalo-area district that "I took it to the speaker" this spring when Alexander also mentioned the inappropriate e-mail to him.""

It just doesnt smell right!

5:08 PM  
Blogger Pondering American said...

I will say this about the page system in DC. It is nothing like it was. Back in the 70 and 80 it was bad. Now I think it is way better.

If there is a person to watch it is Reynolds. There is some friction between him and Hasert. The reasons I have concerns about Reynolds is that his chief of Staff was Foley's old Chief of Staff. Something that is not being reported widely for some reason. I am not saying that Reynolds did anything wrong but the fact that his cuurent Chief was Foleys chief is something to watch

5:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here are the emails - you can read them yourself and decide what you would have done - Foley wants a picture - talks about how good Will Humble, a former page, looks - wants a picture - and the page said that there is a Congressman who is known to hit on pages!!!!!

I think the page said it best - I wonder what Rodney will do - - - well now we know.

12:45 PM  

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