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Friday, June 30, 2006

Elvis, Press Rudeness and my MawMaw

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I couldn't let the day pass without some comments on the Bush, Prime Minister Koizum, Elvis and their joint pilgramage to Graceland. Politics at times needs to be fun. I am glad it was a little light today. Also Kudo's for Bush going down to Memphis with the Prime Minister of Japan. His country has really gone to bat for us in this War on Terror. Perhaps the Jews and the Arabs should take note of this relationship. No one has to be enemies forever. As you can see from the above pic, Even Tony Snow was getting in on the fun. For the amusing Press gaggle that is associated with that pic click here.

This visit though by a foreign head of State brings up a topic that really irks me. That is Press rudeness. Do you ever notice that some of the most important World Leaders come to the White House and the White House Press Corp just ignores them it seems. I remember when the big Monica story broke on Bill Clinton. It occured when Arafat was visiting the White House. All the questions were about the scandel. No one asked the former head of the PLO a thing. It was rude. I don't care if the guy was a former terrorist , but it was the one day I felt actually sorry for the man But it happens all the time. Yesterday was no exception. At the press Conference the only questions by American Reporters that were asked were basically, "Do you think you were bench slapped by the Supreme Court on Gitmo". It would have been nice if a American reporter would have asked the Prime Minister ,"So North Korea is about to fly a big ole rocket over your Country. What do you think about that? or "So there is talk if North Korea keeps going down this path that we might help arm you with Nuclear Weapons. As the only Country in the World that had 2 cities blown off the map by atomic weapons, Whats your thoughts?
How about a question on Japan assistance to us in Iraq ? Oh well, no the Press just kept being rude as always to foreign leaders that visit us. Also, we were cheated out of some good questions.

But today got me thinking about Elvis after seeing all those pictures today. I am a little to young to remember much about the King. I remember though the day he died. I was a tiny tot watching television and heard my mother go OH NO! My response was who? I enjoy his songs though. My favorite is American Trilogy. Its beautiful. It a combination of Dixie, The Battle Hymm of the Republic, and an old Negro spiritual. Some bars down here still play it to close out the night.
My grandmother who is over 80 is a huge Elvis fan. In fact she took me up to Graceland. Graceland is kept as nice as the White House. I even saw the Kings grave right there by the Mansion's swimming pool. I thought even then that would be awkward at pool parties. Did Michael Jackson and Lisa Marie ever lift up a beer to dear ole dad while they were in the pool? I wonder. But my grandmother loves Elvis. Elvis could do no wrong. He was the perfect Southern boy. I remember vividly when my grandfather brought up the issue of the whole drug thing. Good Grief, it was like he had just denied the resurrection of Christ and called George Washington a Communist all at the same time. My grandmother would have none of that talk. He was used!!! He just was Listening to his Doctors!!!. It was Col. Parkers fault!!! In fact I think She even went to one of those concerts where Elvis would pass out all those scarfs to women that were around his neck. Who knows she might have got one.I often wonder if my then early 50's year old Grandmother wassinging Elvis songs with my mom. Perhaps she had one of those Mom's crushes on a singer. I like that. It makes me know that my grandmother was human like the rest of us. I guess its one of those question, I need to ask before its too late.

If I am up late enough I will try to update this post with some local papers from Memphis that described the visit.

The Pope Gets the Keys to the Kingdom of Volvo( The Pope New Wheels)

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The American Papist bring us this story of the Pope's new wheels.

Good to know the Pope will be safe as he battling horrific Rome Traffic and cruising the Autobahn at 200 mph on his vacations.

Also, Let me direct you to these links the Papist has relating to some other Catholic News. Many metropolitanarchbishops just received their palliums from the Pope. What a pallium you might ask? This blogger explains. The Americans included
Archbishop George Hugh NIEDERAUER of San Francisco, United States.
Archbishop Daniel N. DiNARDO of Galveston-Houston, United States
Archbishop Donald William WUERL of Washington, United States

Plus, Our Pope tells the new Archbishops evil will never defeat Christ Church as reported in this roundup of the event.

One Warrior in Iraq- You Can Help Him Out

A Warrior

Take time to read the above post by Yon. I love Michael Yon. There are a few people I will ask you to donate too. His site is at the top of the list. After you read this article, please consider doing two things both of which he asks. First, ask Time Magazine to run a "clarification". Second also contact your Congressman to look into his case for the highest honor. That is the the Congressional Medal of Honor. In fact ask them to look into a lot more cases. I had the privilege a couple of years back to attend the National Congressional Medal of Honor National convention. I was filled with AWE. As a person that follows the actions of our Servicemen in the WOT, there are men and women alive and dead that should be considered for these honor. I have not quite figured out why just one person, after his death, has been given this honor since our engagements started in Iraq and Afghanistan. In fact, I find it very disturbing

A Picture is Worth a Thousand Words

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This picture was taken when Congressman Tancredo was speaking at the Tennessee State Chapter of FAIR. What you didn't know they, FAIR had state chapters? Well, they do it seems. America is Full? Well what in the heck does that Mean?

FAIR is a Tanton group. Out of FAIR came many spin off groups. CIS, NUMBERS, etc. This groups are currently involved in the illegal immigration debate. However, their real concern is not the "illegals". Tanton and his associates believe its time to turn back the clock. In fact turn it way back. To put it bluntly, Tanton makes Al Gore and his Environmental theories look like they came from the John Birch society by comparision. It is the radical 70 population control movement coming back under the guise of conservative principles. At least in this public face. They are infiltrating liberal groups too. It worth posting this entire article.


The connection between some anti-immigration groups and anti-life beliefs has been well documented in recent articles and debates. Many immigration reform experts have received funds or have other connections to people and organizations that advocate anti-life measures such as euthanasia, sterilization, population control and abortion. Below are excerpts from various news articles, studies and other sources demonstrating the links between some anti-immigration groups and the anti-life agenda.

April 26, 2006: Father of Anti-Immigration Group
Awaits History's Judgement
this article appeared on NewsHouse News Service

Anti-Immigration Groups Fathered by John Tanton

The Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR), which was founded by John Tanton, is the parent group of the Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) headed by Mark Kirkorian. Tanton wrote a memo on July 11, 1986 stating, To expand our fund-raising machine, we created the Center for Immigration Studies last year. We need to get CIS fully funded and entrenched as a major Washington think-tank, one that can venture into issues which FAIR is not yet ready to raise. Tanton is the infamous anti-population activist who said in a memo written in 1988 that continued immigration from Latin America would lead to the peaceful takeover of the nation by a group that is simply more fertile.

Tanton, on his own Web site, says that he helped to start other anti-immigration organizations in addition to CIS, such as Roy Becks NumbersUSA. Other organizations, such as the Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) and NumbersUSA, both of which he helped to start, but on whose boards he does not serve, have also made stellar contributions to the immigration reform debate. Tanton, again on his own Web site, lists the various groups he funds under U.S., Inc., which includes Becks NumbersUSA.

Tanton has founded and financed other anti-immigration groups as well. In addition to the above-mentioned groups, Tanton sits on the advisory board of American Patrol, now also American Border Patrol. (New Times Los Angeles, BeelzeBubba, May 7, 1998; The Tallahassee Democrat, Anti-immigrant groups: simple answers for simple minds, July 13, 2003)

CIS is part of an anti-immigration syndicate founded by John Tanton, a retired ophthalmologist from Michigan who also founded NumbersUSA and the Federation for American Immigration Reform, and also funds American Patrol - the group that sends vigilantes to the southern border to capture illegal immigrants.

FAIR and Negative Population Growth

Negative Population Growth, an organization once headquartered in the anti-immigration group FAIR's Washington, DC office, was founded by Donald Mann who stated:

"We should give incentives to low-income people who agree to sterilization. We should make available free abortion to low-income people on demand. And companies should cut back or deny maternity leave to women who have more than two children." (The Record, Teaneck Group Would Limit Babies, Immigrants, August 15, 1996, pg A01)

Executive director of FAIR, Dan Stein, said of Mann's group, "NPG is one of a few serious, courageous, meaningful population-control groups that's seriously dealt with immigration." (The Record, Teaneck Group Would Limit Babies, Immigrants, August 15, 1996, pg A01)

Political Campaigning

During the current 2004 election cycle, an organization called the Coalition for the Future American Worker has run anti-immigration ads in various districts across the country. This includes thousands of dollars spent on radio ads in Utah's Third Congressional District attacking Congressman Chris Cannon.

NumbersUSA's Roy Beck is a spokesperson for the Coalition. Beck said of ads being run in South Dakota, "We don't run these ads to influence elections, but to influence votes in Congress." (AP, Daschle campaign ad decries negative third-party commercials, April 23, 2004)

Dan Stein, executive director of FAIR, is also a Coalition board member and spokesperson. According to an article in the Dallas Morning News about Coalition ads being run in a Dallas area congressional race, "Federal records show that the Coalition for the Future American Worker's member organizations receive financing from other organizations, such as the Pioneer Fund, which studies racial differences and counts Nazi sympathizers among its founders." (Dallas Morning News, Frost says Sessions should denounce immigration ads, April 7, 2004)

Pioneer Fund gives over $1 million to FAIR

Pioneer Fund has given, through 1996, $1.2 million to FAIR. (Center for New Community Special Report, Divide and Conquer: A Profile of the Federation for American Immigration Reform)

On March 30, 1994, the San Francisco Chronicle wrote:

A confidential memo written by FAIR founder John Tanton, published in 1988, argued that continued immigration from Latin America would lead to the peaceful takeover of the nation by "a group that is simply more fertile."

FAIR also has been attacked for accepting $ 600,000 in donations since 1988 from the Pioneer Fund, a wealthy New York organization that finances research seeking proof of the genetic superiority of the white race.

If that seems to conflict with its middle-of-the-road image, FAIR has been unbowed. Tanton remains on the board of directors, and Stein defends Pioneer Fund donations.

"I think they support our work because the (Pioneer) trustees agree with what we''re doing," he said. "But we pitched the funding proposal to them. They give us money because we asked for it.

The Pioneer Fund and Other Investments

ProjectUSA, an anti-immigration group run by Craig Nelson from New York that has placed billboards in various political races including Utah's Third Congressional District, has also received money from the Pioneer Fund.

As Cannon has correctly noted, Nelsen also gets sizable donations from the Pioneer Fund, a white supremacist organization that for decades has promoted racial purity through eugenics, a theory of selective human breeding espoused by the Nazis.

IRS 990 forms show the fund awarded $25,000 in grants to ProjectUSA between the years 2000 and 2002. (Salt Lake Tribune, Immigration reform drives sharp wedge in Cannon race, March 29, 2004)

Projects' express purpose, according to IRS forms, is to educate the public on population control.

The spat between Rep. Chris Cannon, R-Utah, and ProjectUSA, the Washington-based group pushing for strict curbs on immigration, is getting nastier. ProjectUSA started the round by erecting five billboards in Cannon's district saying that Cannon "Wants Amnesty for Illegal Aliens." Cannon offered the next punch, charging ProjectUSA and other anti-immigration groups with ties to an "anti-life" agenda that promotes "sterilization, abortion, eugenics, and euthanasia." Project USA's stated mission, Cannon said, is to "educate the public on population control." ProjectUSA quickly denied the charge, saying that never has ProjectUSA ... said that our mission is "to educate the public on population control." Except maybe on Part III of the project's 2002 tax return, where it told the IRS that such population-control education was its primary mission. "It appears an inattentive accountant did indeed insert that phrase on some tax forms," Project USA acknowledged. "So, we were wrong on that account. But then again, so what?" (National Journal, Inside Washington-Gosh Durn Those Precise Accountants, April 4, 2004)

The Pioneer Fund's Anti-Life Agenda

Besides anti-immigration projects, the Pioneer Fund has also used its money for eugenic research. Eugenics is defined as "the study of hereditary improvement of the human race by controlled selective breeding." New York millionaires created the Pioneer Fund "and charged it with backing research in heredity, eugenics and ''race betterment.'' (Phoenix New Times, Jingo All the Way, December 25, 1997)

When questioned about Pioneer Fund contributions, Tanton "claimed ignorant about the Pioneer Fund's connection to numerous researchers seemingly intent on proving the inferiority of blacks, as well as its unsavory ties to Nazism. Among materials published by Tanton's Social Contract Press include the video Immigration by the Numbers, by Roy Beck, the executive director of NumbersUSA. (Phoenix New Times, Jingo All the Way, December 25, 1997)

Richard Lamm's Anti-Life Agenda

Chairman of the Board of Advisors for FAIR and Former Colorado Governor Richard Lamm, stated in 1984 that terminally ill people have a "duty to die and get out of the way" (UPI March 29, 1984) and has also been associated with euthanasia for the elderly as a means to population control.

Governor Lamm is quoted in a May 1985 article as saying, "The best thing that could happen to this country is for a whole bunch of hospitals to go broke." This comment is attributed to a belief that medicine is prolonging the life spans of individuals thus causing population problems.

Lamm, while Governor of Colorado, was quoted during a speech to seniors that everyone had a "duty to die" so that the next generation wouldn't be burdened with their care. After a trip to India in 1967, Lamm returned to say that he "came back vowing to work on the problem of human population." He sponsored the country's first liberalized abortion bill in the state legislature. (Denver Westword, It''s Not Easy Being Green; Look Who's Mad at Dick Lamm Now!, March 18, 2004)

The Wall Street Journal Makes the Connection

Below is an excerpt from a March 15, 2004 editorial by Jason Riley, a senior editorial page writer at the Journal.

"So determined is conservatism's nativist wing that it's even made common cause with radical environmentalists and zero-population-growth fanatics on the leftist fringe. The Federation for American Immigration Reform and the Center for Immigration Studies may strike right-wing poses in the press, but both groups support big government, mock federalism, deride free markets and push a cultural agenda abhorrent to any self-respecting social conservative.

FAIR's founder and former president is John Tanton, an eye doctor who opened the first Planned Parenthood chapter in northern Michigan. By Dr. Tanton's own reckoning, FAIR has received more than $1.5 million from the Pioneer Fund, a white-supremacist outfit devoted to racial purity through eugenics.

Board members of FAIR actively promote the sterilization of Third World women for the purposes of reducing U.S. immigration prospects. And if anything disturbs the good doctor more than those Latin American hordes crossing the Rio Grande, it's the likelihood that most of them are Catholic, or so he once told a Reuters reporter.

CIS, an equally repugnant FAIR offshoot, is a big fan of China's one-child policy and publishes books advocating looser limits on abortion and wider use of RU-486. CIS considers the Sierra Club, which cites "stabilizing world population" fourth on its 21st century to-do list, as too moderate. And like FAIR, CIS has called for a target U.S. population of 150 million, about half of what it is today.

Unlike their counterparts on the restrictionist right, these organizations don't distinguish between legal and illegal immigration. They want the border sealed as a means to a fanciful, neo-Malthusian end. Both sides, however, do share the same intellectual framework -- an overriding pessimism and lack of understanding about markets, which is why both also tend to oppose free trade."

Yep America is full according Congressman Tancredo. Please Congressman, if you believe in all this nonsense, lets have a open debate about it. I think we are all against illegal immigration. However, its clear that to FAIR and it appears to you that the issue is not about illegal immigration but some a goal to push the population back to 150,000,000. If you want to believe that then fine. But there should be a honest debate about it. Forgive me but after reading this it is not clear to me that this radical agenda is good for this country socially, economically ,morally or good for our National Security. Also to be quite blunt, this garbage seems to fly smack into my Pro-Life convictions. So please quit saying this is all about just illegal immigration. Everyone is aware that you and FAIR share the same goals(at least to this radical population reduction). So lets get it out in the open.

By the way, this very liberal blogger got to ask him about this little T-shirt as well as other things(like broken promises)You can listen to the audio there or go here to read the transcript. True, both those sites are liberal, but you can't deny what your eyes and ears tell you. To repeat form the above article from the writer at the Wall street Journal:

"So determined is conservatism's nativist wing that it's even made common cause with radical environmentalists and zero-population-growth fanatics on the leftist fringe. The Federation for American Immigration Reform and the Center for Immigration Studies may strike right-wing poses in the press, but both groups support big government, mock federalism, deride free markets and push a cultural agenda abhorrent to any self-respecting social conservative.

Amen, Amen, and Amen. This conservative Republican shall fight it tooth and nail.

Say Hello to My Louisiana Friends on My Blogroll

First let me give a apology to Blogrolling. I sometimes come to work on a computer that is at a public library. I do this because their computers are so much faster and not as ancient as mine. Well it appears that their filtering service has become a tad hyperactive and for some reason is saying I can't access blogrolling or in fact see the links they put on other people blogs because its OBSCENE. Hopefully that problem will be corrected soon.

I am going to be adding some Louisiana bloggers to my list. I will probally be doing one Louisiana oriented at least every other day on my dear ole blog. There are some issues here that need National attention. Some of these bloggers I will be referencing and they are ones that I enjoy a good bit. Take some time to visit them, like me they do not talk about Louisiana topics all the time. I am also putting them up because of a problem I perceive. Louisiana my no means is perfect. We have our problems that is for sure. However, the Louisiana bashing and just pure ignorance from the MSM and other bloggers about isssues here is getting tedious. So I hope to be some window, into this State that so many don't seem to understand.

The first site is not really a blog, but is more of a Louisiana News Site in the tradition of the Drudge Report. That site is the The Dead Pelican. Like Drudge, its conservative leaning but is a pretty good roundup of the Louisiana News. Plus it is pretty entertaining.

The Conservative Cajun is a must read. He also shares a interest that this North Louisiana boy has also. That is the State and National crisis of Louisiana Coastal Erosion. I must tell you if there is one issue ,besides Tancredo, that gets me very upset it is this one. I hope to do a post after the holiday on this very important topic. He also has one the best damn link section of any Louisiana blogger.

Mostly Cajun is another great read. Plus it is not politics all the time with him. At times, the nation has no clue what this area of Southwest Louisiana is like. There are real people down there often producing your seafood, manning the oil rigs, etc. They took by the way a aweful hit during Hurrican Rita and it is not clear to me yet if they will fully recover. A story that has largely been missed nationwide.

I am going to put a liberal Louisiana blogger on my list. There will be a couple. I don't agree with his politics all the time but he is up to date on New Orleans News and gosh darn it loves that city and is fighting for it as much as I do. So if you have a chance, go visit Your Right Hand Thief He is not a bad guy at times once he gets past his anti George Bush mania.

Pawpaw's House is a blogger, I enjoy. I like him partly because he is North of I-10 and folks need to realize that we are Louisiana too. He talks politics, culture and about his kids too.

One other blog. This is called Ernie the Attorney. His blog at time is a tad left I suppose. But, he is insightful on New Orleans issues. Plus as someone that was formally in the legal field I enjoy him.

Well that is it for now. More Louisiana Bloggers will be added on another post. I am trying to stick by my rule of slowing intoducing my blogroll.

Looking Around

Last night I was commanded by friends to get my butt off my blog and come to the big city to spend some time with them. They did not have to drag me kicking and screaming. I have returned. I do notice my links have still not returned on the side. I notice other bloggers that use blogrolling are having the same problem. But its free so I cannot complain. So I thought I do a quick round up of what some people on my blogroll are saying.

Many bloggers have been talking about the Supreme Court and their recent decision on Gitmo and military tribunals. Most have some good links and discussion on the matter. I am going to read the Court's decision myself. I am probally one of the few conservative bloggers that thought there was some slight overreaching by the Executive here. However, I will comment on that later.

I suggest first going to to Big Lizardsand his post on the recent proof of Iranian shennigans in Iraq. I hate to call them shennigans because what they are doing is pure evil.

AJ is talking about the Cannon race and pleading for fellow conservatives to recognize some realities. His comment section is pretty good and again show that
De nial is not just a river in Egypt to some. He writes in part:
The right is clearly not burning with a desire to deport or push people here out to make a living. They are not dying to see a series of Elian Gonzales stories every night for a decade while the US wastes time finding simple people raising a family and dumping them across our borders. And more importantly, the people know the problem is less about wage pressure and all about the fact illegal immigration is the perfect avenue and hide-out for terrorists trying to reach our shores to kill us en masse.
Amen. The spin that says otherwise must be fought

Pink Flamingo is talking a lot of sense as always in her post from yesterday. She mentions the racist not conservative- Council of
Conservative Citizens. By the way, they had their big protest last night against John McCain that was in South Carolina Raising money for that State's party. I will trove the papers today and see if any GOP politicos showed up as they promised they would. If they were there they will be exposed. This kookdum is about to be exposed from the right and I hope all conservative bloggers help me in doing that.

The Anchoress has an exceptionally good post. She has been Talking about some very interesting topics these days and not all political.

I am going to update you on what some of the political 08 hopefuls are doing later on. On that topic a Tancredo fan emailed me a few days ago. He noticed that I said, I would put up any Catholics for (insert 08 hopeful), and wondered if a Catholics for Tancredo site came into existence would I put one up on my links. The answer to be blunt is HELL NO. But please come again and your suggestions are always welcomed.

Speaking of Catholics in the Public Square. Their blog has been interesting and keeps us up to date as usual. They have a post up on future House votes on issues relating to cloning and abortion.

Thursday, June 29, 2006

Where are my Links? Urgggh

The more I use Blogrolling, the more I think I just need to break down buy a Blogger Template for Dummies book and put them in myself.Well this happen before and they come back when they want too. Let me point you to a great post on the Rep Cannon Immigration Plan. You can read the whole thing at the link at his site. I amde this comment on his wonderful blog.
"Great post. I will link it tonight by the way. Did you see who was head of this advisory committee on Cannon's group. Well if it was not the person that ran against him two years ago and was the darling of the Tancredo Crowd to take Cannon down. Kudos to both Cannon and Throckmorton for putting political differences aside after a bitter campaign and working to solve the problem. Wouldn't it be nice if the Country took a lesson from that"

National Review Writer Uses Jenna Bush for Cheap Points and Alienates Latinos All at The Same Time- Priceless

Thanks to one my readers for alerting me to this

Well the most bizarre and stupid pieces are coming out again of what was once the Vatican of Conservative Thought. Yes the National review, and their hyeractive little blog on ritalin called The Corner. The National Review is where I was first introduced to great conservative articles. At times the articles were quite edgy. However, there has been a subtle Change at NR. It has rapidily become nothing more than the vast echo chamber I have been talking about. Instead of leading it has just been following. I have noticed this trend accelerate the past year. I plead to NR stop and return to your rightful place in Conservative thought. To the Corner blog, get off the Ritlain and try prozac.

There latest piece of wisdom on their blog is entitled, The Bush Family Project and the GOP. This post manages to be not only shortsighted, and incorrect but manages to also alienate and be condescending to all Latinos.
Jenna Bush is leaving DC for a taching job in Latin America, it says here
It also says: "Last week marked her final day at the Mount Pleasant charter school where she taught for a year and a half ... Jenna and a fellow instructor oversaw a class of third-graders being taught in both English and Spanish."
So yet another link in the Bush-Hispanic chain is about to be forged. The chain goes all the way back to Poppy Bush's, er,
business arrangement with Jorge Diaz Serrano in the early 1960s.
It's an odd thing—a paradox, really—that our last Democratic President showed little interest in Latin America and seems to have had no friendships or business ties there. Chelsea was sent to Oxford, and I think you could make a case that the Democratic Party as a whole, in its thinking, is more Euro-centric than Latin-American-centric. And yet Hispanic voters in the U.S. are solidly Democratic. All the main appeals of the current Democratic Party—big-govt. populism, a zero-sum racial spoils system, victimology, open borders, etc.—are much more attractive to Hispanics, and (except for the open borders) much more in line with Latin American political traditions, that the GOP's appeals to self-support, low taxation, etc.
So the decades-long Bush family project to bond with Latin America has not brought, and so far as I can see is not likely to bring, any political advantage to the GOP. It's a strange thing. Anyone got explanations?Posted at
12:41 PM

Good grief, where to start. First off let me congratulate Mr Derbyshire in using the First Daughter's private life to make a political point ,and to try ,in a very transparent way, to stir up a hornets nest of controversy. We all know that bilingual education is one of those hot button issues. BTW, go read the Wash Post article he links. Kudos to Jenna, that seems to be doing good work while living her life in a bubble. It used to be the political left just made points at her expense now it appears the right is doing so.

Now, on to Mr Derbyshire , you English Yahoo. Its time to come to grips with a reality. Hispanics at this point are the largest American minority in the United States. Most importantly they are Americans. Your post is not helpful in gaining Latino support to the GOP. Also your post makes no sense.
"Democratic Party as a whole, in its thinking, is more Euro-centric than Latin-American-centric. And yet Hispanic voters in the U.S. are solidly Democratic. All the main appeals of the current Democratic Party—big-govt. populism, a zero-sum racial spoils system, victimology, open borders, etc.—are much more attractive to Hispanics, and (except for the open borders) much more in line with Latin American political traditions, that the GOP's appeals to self-support, low taxation, etc"
Mr Derbyshire what alternative universe did you wake up in this morning? The last time I looked it seemed to me that Europe is the poster child for Big Government, victimology, and all sort of insane ideas. Mr Derbyshire there is a whole new level of Intrusive Govt being formed over there called the EU check it out. In the EU , PRo Life Catholics can't be President of this confederation because well they are against abortion. In fact in the World of the EU, Catholic Teachings are off the wall. Of course in the EU, all doctors are going to have to perform abortions .Shall I go on about the high taxes, the liberal welfare state, and all the kookiness that goes on there. Perhaps this site will be helpful that details all the nanny state stuff that is happening in your England. But hey lets be Euro Centric. Mr Derbyshire perhaps there is a reason why Democrats are Euro Centric hmmm. Please go here and read and learn. Its seems like Democrat Nivernia to me. Give me Costa Rica any day over that balderdash.

Also Mr Derbyshire, the people of beloved Europe are birth controlling themselves out of existance over their. Please read this to jump start the thinking process. Soon besides the Moslem population that appears to be well on to be the majority there in 30 years, we won't have much to trade with. I suspect Budweiser is not going to be a big hit there if demographics continue
So the decades-long Bush family project to bond with Latin America has not brought, and so far as I can see is not likely to bring, any political advantage to the GOP. It's a strange thing. Anyone got explanations.

Well Mr Derbyshire your post has not helped. Its does do a service though to show the nasty underbelly of this whole immigration debate. First off John, getting latino votes takes more than just appearing at a parade and saying I like Mexicans. It has to been gone after. You have to engage it in a real way. Politicians like Jeb Bush, President Bush(as well as when he was Governor), Senator Brownback, and even Governor Huckabee are examples of how the Latino community responds to when they are engaged. Some folks call this under the very nice term Hispandering. I call it not being arrogant and actually asking people to vote for you through words and deeds.

Latin America trade is about to explode. The smart leaders in this Country are already preparing for it. I suggest Mr NR that you go to cities like Houston, Dallas, Miami, etc that are great examples of that now. Forgive me if I am not overwhelmed by the Danish and French investment and commerce in areas I visit.

Next week, The National Review talks about Jeb Bush's Mexican wife and Also Derbyshire being taken off White House Christmas party invite List.

Update 1- I am aware that Derbyshire became an American Citizen in 2002. (Psst don't tell Tancredo or his friends at FAIR.) I just wanted to use the term English Yahoo to this dedicated Anglophobe.

Update 2- Jonah taking the role of the Chivilarous Knight comes to poor Jenna Defense

Update 3- Derbyshire will be very busy. Today he is also having to defend himself after bashing Mormons yestersay and blaming them for the Cannon win. BY the way any Mormon readers. We welcome you to what was only a Catholic Church Conspiracy as to immigration. Come on in the water is fine

Update 4- Derby thinks Jonah is being waspish,
Re: Bush Family Project [John Derbyshire]

Strewth, that was a bit waspish, wasn't it, Jonah? I was only observing the oddity of the fact that

(a) The Bushes, from Poppy on down, are far more Hispano-friendly than the last two Dem presidents, or for that matter than any prominent Dem I can think of, and yet

(b) U.S. Hispanics are, and always will be so far as I can see, a solid lock for the Dem vote.

I thought it was interesting, that's all.

Posted at 3:17 PM

Yeah, try to talk yourself out of this Mr Latinos are all victimology, racial spoil system while Europe is the Mecca of goodness. This was transparent and you know it.
For more of this back and forth please vist todays Corner

Wednesday, June 28, 2006

You learn Something New Everyday

I have a New Entry/Post that should be in the place of this Entry. It is located right below the post What A Great Morning Cannon Wins. I have found out that if one saves a draft then it will appear on the blog as the time you saved it not the time you published it. Annoying! The new MUST READ is entitled The Cannon Win and Our Come to Jesus Meeting . If you are too lazy to scroll down to it click here. I guess you can tell I want you read it. Well Heck I spent 45 minutes on that.

What a Great Morning-Cannon Wins

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Ah, thank you Lord. Thank St. Jerome patron of bloggers. Thank you Our Lady and all the Saints. We have won a battle in the Cannon race in Utah. I don't have much time to blog right now. BUt I will have a post up on the spin that is occuring right now. I have visted a few sites but I am going to wait till this evening to post on this. Its fascinating to watch the spin get more organized after a loss. Right now, people are still just waking up after drinking their shock away last night. But what I have seen already is amusing. Even though it is amusing, the spin must be counted. The spin cannot become reality. Anywho till this evening, please visit my blogroll.

The Cannon Win and Our Come to Jesus Meeting

It was nice to wake up this morning, after the Cannon victory last night. Of course it is important to keep that victory in its proper place. A victory in a battle was achieved last night, but the War is far from won. Nethertheless; it is important for us to feel good. In fact it is essential we feel good about this victory. We must all have a moment when we know we are not part of some political Pickett's charge or just attacking windmills. It is also important for us to exploit it or it will be for naught. BTW , the spinning is happening fast and furious.

For my friends on the other side that view last nights events with distress. I saw this posted last night and it is so true. I know, I have been through these stages myself.

(1)We can still win this!
(2)We lost but in reality we won!
(3)We only lost because of the stupid voters!
(4)We only lost because of our stupid campaign manager!
(5)We lost because we're losers
. ( I would reword to We lost because We just plain lost)

This morning, I thought I was going to have a grand ole time tonight sticking it to individuals that have really gotten under my skin the past year. Trust me it has been a hard one. It has not been easy being called a Bushbot, a open borders troll, spineless, a sellout, a coddler of criminals, a rino, etc, etc. I have even had my Religious Creed slandered. From the days of the Gang of 14 to the Dubai port deal especially, it just seems like an asylum in my beloved Republican party. However , I am not going to attack the spin tonight by individual bloggers. I will engage it if it continues. But tonight lets have a come to Jesus meeting on immigration and other matters that must be dealt with.

Last night in the one of the most conservative states in the union in one of the most conservative districts there was a race. It was Republicans battling it out and it was the focus of all those that follow this immigration debate 24/7. We all knew what was at stake. As I said here the night before the election, if Cannon lost there was no way I could spin that reality. Rep Cannon has had a bulls eye on his head for for over 4 years. He has been targeted by the the Tancredo crowd nonstop. When they lost last time the bile against him started the day after the election. Cannon had everything thrown at him but the kitchen sink this time. The result of all that bile and destructive behavior was a increase of 2 percentage points for yall. That's it. I hear alot about the conservative "base" out there. Well, I can't think of much more places that are more conservative than good ole Mormon Utah.

I know it and you know it, that this race was going to be a sort of referendum on this immigration issue. It was the Bush view vs Tancredo view. Best of all this was a Republican primary. This debate was just among us. The thing with referendums is if you call one up you got to live with the results. Cannon won. Not only that but this is the second time he has won on this issue. One of the guys at the Corner had this say after receiving a quite a few emails this morning:

Advice to Restrictionists [John Podhoretz]
Look, if you want to be serious, you want to win elections, you want to move the debate in your direction substantively, STOP THE WHINING. I've been getting kvetchy e-mails all morning from people who seem to think it's just no fair that Chris Cannon won the primary in Utah. After all, they agree with that Jacob guy and he lost and they didn't want him to and so something went bad and it's dirty pool and WAAAAH.
This is Loserville, guys. So is claiming that a defeat is a victory, which is the other theme in my many e-mails. Grow up. This is politics. Lesson One: Not everybody agrees with you, and not everybody who disagrees with you is evil, and a lot of the time you don't get your way. Try being a conservative in Manhattan or Brooklyn or D.C. or Hyde Park in Chicago (to name every single place I've voted since I attained my majority) if you want to know what that's like. Posted at
11:35 AM

Lets face it folks this race happened in the most Republican Area(Utah County) of the most Republican State in the union.

So this is my plea. Lets start talking again on this issue. Lets compromise and try to come to a solution. Believe it or not we are really not for "open borders" where just the whole world can walk in. We also have concerns about security, crime, assimilation of immigrants. I know there are forces that have told you we don't but we really do. Our concerns are these besides the security concerns we both share. That is we treat everyone here with dignity and realize that not every illegal alien is a invader or a criminal on par with a bank robber. Its time to drop the talking points and get real. In the end do we really want to deport the 20 year old back to Mexico that has been here since he was 2. If an illegal has been peacefully living here for 20 years and has an American spouse and American kids do we really want to deport all similar cases without exception? I think you get my drift. It sort of hard for us that are Pro-Life and Pro-Family in this party to talk with credibility if we are breaking up millions of families without exception. Law tempered with Justice and Mercy.

We can compromise on this issue. If you want to see it from just pure political terms can we compromise on this before we piss away the entire Latino vote. I love this party and really don't want to go the way of Whigs. Didn't these voters in Utah send us that message last night?

There is one other issue. Its time we Republicans and Conservatives stop the bitching at each other. People are sick of it. ,and guess what those voters in Utah were very sick of it too. They had a ten percent turnout. You know why? Well it because most people are not like you and me. They don't read political blogs and don't talk about Sean Hannity and what that SOB said on Chris Matthews last night .Most people keep informed but don't jump into it like we do. But every two years they start to pay attention and go do their patrotic duty. But this year, after being assaulted non stop by the bile many had one reaction. That is, "Yall are all nuts, forget it and a pox on both your houses I am staying home!!! In Salt Lake County last night only 7 percent got out and voted. 7 Percent !!By the way, I don't think that was so much to the two individuals running that race. In the corner post above, how many of those angry letters came from the citizens of the 3rd Congressional District of Utah? I bet the answer is close to ZERO. You see we sort of imposed on those poor people in that Utah District. We decided to have our family fight right there in the suburbs of Salt Lake City and areas South and East of there. All this national bile of Jorge Bush, rino, t raitor, and race tinged rethoric hit them non stop. The result was 90 percent of voters stayed home. In other words , we have got to stop this and quick. Despite the political consequences, we have got 18 year old kids getting blown up in the WOT. Maybe just maybe, we should think if this political debate honors that ultimate contribution. Does that mean we can't disagree. Of course not. But the name calling and the lies have got to stop.

Step 1- We need to stop calling people with impeccable conservative credentials such as Sen BrownBack, Sen Graham, Sen Martinez, and Gov Huckabee RINOS. Please, its insulting and also remember some of us worked hard to elect these people and believe in them. The term RINO can not be applied to every politician that doesn't on immediate command lie down and roll over like a dog. The term RINO used to apply to people like certain Senators who when asked said they were not going to vote for President Bush in 2004. Now its applied to people like Mike Pence. Its insane and false

Step 2- We need to start governing. Not everything in this world needs to be a bloodfight. I fully expect to see the supposed "conservative" media and others in the echo chamber to demand a floor fight over the temperature of the thermostat in the House chamber. I remember one reason, I so hated Clinton was that he exhausted me. His antics were always in my face it seems. Folk's I am getting exhausted and I love the GOP. If I am getting exhausted ,God knows what the masses feel. Does this mean we dont fight on principle.? Of course not. But we are fighting over some stupid BS. I think I know why thats happening. I think good conservative are being used. I will get into that another day. But this where I am starting to look and asking questions. Especially, since I have started noticing how info is flowing to us. But again that's later.

Step 3- We have got to purge the evil and filth we are associating with in our movement. There are some nasty folks around this immigration debate. The ends can't justify the means. I don't go for instance to racist Council of Conservative Citizen meetings and ask their help in the Pro-Life cause. Evil or at least very misguided folks do not assist us in the end. You can support the House Bill all you want , but there are some people involved in this that are well, suspect. Lets just be careful . I don't want to look up 4 months from now or in 08 and see the whole nation yell at us "Yall are nuts I am staying home!!!

Tuesday, June 27, 2006

Cannon/Jacob Election Night Live Blogging

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Round 1 of the Fight for the GOP Soul


4:30 pm--I am going to put this post up now. I will be trying to cover this race from my little ole computer 2000 miles away. I will try to keep you updated on the race from whatever resources I can find. There will be little to report for several hours. However, for your amusement and education I will be putting up threads from the Free Republic Forum. The Free Republic is a active conservative forum to which I post at times. Be warned the Free Republic is full of Cannon haters and people who think that Tancredo is best thing since sliced bread. But there are a few of us conservatives there that keep up the fight. By looking at these threads one can understand why this race is so nasty. This place will become a suicide watch zone at the end of the night for either side. I expect there will be a live election thread that will be a good source of info as Utah Freepers type in whats happening also. Free Republic threads to which I will also be posting on will stay at the top. Updates will appear below

KSl is a TV station out of Salt Lake. This link will take you to their primary page well they have links to the election results and break down all the races. You can leave comments too. This link will take you directly to where you can the results as they come in to the station.
Talk Radio Stations that are Covering Race that can be Heard on the NET

Free Republic Threads

12:39- Jacob Concedes, Cannon Moves on to General Election (this will be a fun one)
9:02-Cannon/Jacob GOP primary results thread
4:32-House Race Hotline Extra: Utah 03 (Utah GOP Exec. Dir. says good chance Cannon could go down)

4:51 Tom Tancredo: "I will run for President if I can't anybody else to take this [immigration] on"
Good Grief!!!!! Not directly related to election but in reality is.


1:40 am Alleuia Alleuia its over Cannon wins


12:26 Jacob has conceded Cannon goes on to the General election I will post the final numbers on this thread. For fun I will post the Free Republic Thread on Jacob conceding. If you look around there you might see borderbot central go beserk. Good times.
Here is the link to the concession article. FR thread posted above

12.22am-with close to 77 percent reporting
56.43%27,115 Cannon
43.57%20,934 Jacob

I will double check but I think the guy they had go against Cannon two years ago got 42 percent.
So for all that bile and money and junk they threw at Cannon we see they gained maybe 1.5 to 2 percent. hahaha- The sane Republicans should not let these numbers be spinned. Real low out election 10 percent. Which might show that this illegal immigration issue is not as big of a issue than many say it is even among the base that is supposed to want the House bill. More numbers soon

12:02- with almost 60 percent in Cannon- 57.21% 21,083 Jacob-42.79% 15,770

11:47- 50 percent is in and PONDERING AMERICAN election analyist expert calls the race for CANNON. Yeah. Looking at the numbers there is no way that I see Jacob can pull it out. The importance will be the percentage now. As you notice on the Free Republic Thread the Tancredo folks are starting to spin. More on that later. After my smoke break, more real numbers as they come in and analysis

11:43- OK when 50 percent comes in I am going to issue some good news

11:30= Ok these nunbers are coming in quick. It looks good for cannon. Salt Lake is still close but through out the night Cannon has held a 100 vote lead. I am almost ready to call this for Cannon. I suspect local TV is about too in Utah
With 40 percent in
Now I am concerned about these Salt Lake numbers but there seems to be a trend that has kept then just 100 votes apart on the average

11:26- Ok some good numbers coming in stand by

11:10 Cannon still maintaining lead but still barely has a 100 vote lead in Salt Lake will give update when 33 percent is in of the Precicnts

1o:52. Ok this worrys me. The suburb vote is coming from Salt lake- Cannon barely has a 100 vote lead in that County. That is worriesome but its still early
Cannon- 58.27% 6,386 Jacob-41.73% 4,574

1045 - It should be noted that half the precients come from Salt lake County. Only 3 have reported in there out of over 300. Its looking good now but its hard to see what happening till we see that more urban area come in

10:41- WOw big numbers in 80 out of 623 repoerting. It appears that Cannon is doing well in rural areas from the areas I see coming in
Cannon-59.8% 4,946 Jacob- 40.2% 3,325

10:35- Ok we are getting them in faster now- (20/623) 58.23% 2,207 Cannon 41.77% 1,583-Jacobs

10:25- (07/623) 55.93% 1,765-Cannon 44.07% 1,391-Jacobs

10:15 Good heavens are they counting these numbers with a Abacuc

10:05 With 7 precients in 56.91% 1,585 -Cannon 43.09%1,200-Jacobs

9:59 CENTRAL0.64%4 out of 623 in 55.9% 1,350 Cannon44.1% 1,065 Jacobs

9:45- New Numbers starting to come in be patient dial up sucks

9:27 Returns are coming in real slow. They come in much faster in Louisiana lol. I chalk that up to the new system. I think these are absentee we are seeing For your info this district is 7 counties, with Salt Lake and Utah having the most precincts. I find this to be a very low absente if that is what we are looking at
55.5%1,266 Cannon
44.5%1,015 Jacob

These numbers are reported to be from Utah County where Jacobs was running the strongest. This might be a early good sign

9:02Central- I am putting the Free Republic live thread up now. Those despite that anti immigrant retoric are good sources for info
9:00Central- Polls are closed It has been decided now to wait the outcome
8:00Central- One Hour till polls close. Time to pray for flat tires for the Jacob yet to get to the poll voters and assistance getting Cannon folks there/
7:48Central -As you might know today Utah is trying all the new Electronic voting machines. This blogger at the Salt Lake City paper has a humerous look at how maybe all the kinks are out of the election process today
5:15Central -I am gathering from some forums that turnout is low at this point. Thats bad for Cannon. However its only 4:15 there.

Anchoress Gone Wild.- Her take on Rush and the Viagra Controversy and her Proposed Bi-Partsian Sex Dream Plan to bring this Country together

Oh my this deserves its own post. I have to admit, I do love the Anchoress. The problem is Anchoress I can't think of many Dem female politicians I want to dream about doing that with. Now there are some Dem movie stars hmmm. Well I will do it for the good of the Country I suppose -Patriotism calls.

Michelle Malkin Goes into Full blown KookDum Mode

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MIchelle Malkin has gone into full blast Kookdum. Not only is she still posting things from the racist VDARE site on her immigration blog.. But now she has on her blog about the Conspiracy to make a North American Union by our friend Corsi at her immigration blog too.

Under the title of ELITES WANT U.S.-MEXICO MERGER — HENCE THE FLAW IN H.R. 4437 she has the following:
The focus of is on immigration and the National Question. It’s a noble endeavor, but I believe it represents only one component of a much greater problem.
The root of the evil: our apparent forced march toward a "comprehensive" New World Order of regional and ultimately global government, where nation-busting mass immigration is just one part of the process.
Though hardly a recent development, the excellent recent work by
Jerome R. Corsi exposing the North American Union, the Amero currency, the NAFTA Superhighway—and its Texas highway segment which is already underway—leaves little doubt that the collectivist, internationalist agenda of America’s ruling elite continues full steam ahead whether the public likes it or not. and

Michelle step away from the edge.
It really amazes me that she can do and no one calls on her on it. Its bad enough she is linking to VDARE. THe guy whose article that is on her blog is Juan Mann. He is a regular contributor to VDARE. Juan Mannan man has a pretty atrious site called He like Vdare also links to some disturbing groups such as American Rensissance. I perhaps will talk about them and who is behind that kookdum later in another Kookdum post. I am pretty sure that Malkin knows the well founded accusations of racism as to all these folks. How come she is never called on it? Again one can support the Tancredo Bill and not be racist etc. But Malkin is associating and promoting some serious trash.

Update 1- A comment to my blog pointed out that Malkin did not actually say these things she just put the article on her blog. I have edited this post to make that clearer. However this is her blog. It should be pointed out that unless she makes statements otherwise, that she approves at least that this content should be of serious debate.

Please God Have Cannon Win

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Patron St Jerome and Our Lady Of Guadalupe (Patroness of the Americas) Our Lady of the Snow (Patroness of Utah)please please please pray with us for victory today

If Jacob can say that the Devil is responsible for his woes, I have no problem asking for a Cannon Victory tomorrow as my prayer intentions. If I there was a individual patron saint of Third Congressional District of Utah , of Mormons or for Republicans, I would be asking them to pray for his win too. So far the Church hasnt seen fit to declare one for those causes. However I hope you do pray in your own way because what is at stake is huge.

Frst off, I will try to update this entry at the bottom with the revelant stories from the district as they come out I expect about 3 or 4 am Central time on the net. However I can give a few observations from what I have seen. This race I feel is going to be close. Its always dangerous in a way to try to analyze a race in a district in which one does not live. There are often numerous factors that effect a race on a local level that unless someone researches the local blogs can often go unoticed by the outside media. The New Orleans Mayors race was classic example. If one had gone to the Louisiana blogs, one would have found out that because of Republican support Nagin was about to pull out a win. But I feel I can give some general observations.

First thing is that Cannon is in trouble. That does not mean defeat but it is a fact. He is currently ahead in the polls but most polls are showing a huge undecided vote. 40 percent being the average. That is not good in a primary for the incumbent. The big issue is immigration. Poor Cannon has had a bullseye on him from both Tancredo and the anti immigration Tanton forces for years. He has not had much peace. The issue will be turn out , turn out, turn out. This you can be sure, that God himself could produce a ten foot blizzard in June in that district but the people that want to send a message to Presidente Jorge Bush and all their other supposed enemies will be there with bells on. You can't keep them away. The question is can Cannon get his folks there? Will people that don't like the nastiness of this race just stay away or just pass that race up on the ballot and vote for everything else.?That happens all the time. In a fairly recent nasty Louisiana House race, 20,000 that voted in the US Senate Race decided not to vote for the House race on that same ballot. Lets pray that Cannon get out the vote operation is good. We might have some clues in the morning papers.

If Jacob wins it will be a disaster. There will be no denying it and I will not even try to spin it as otherwise. It won't matter if Jacob wins by one vote, the Tancredo and Talton forces will have their first victory in defeating a incumbent House Republican. There will be many results. The House Leadership will allow Tancredo to run more rampant and have more power. It is likely that a Jacob win will be the nail in the coffin on Bush's vison on immigration for the rest of his term. A precedent will be set where sitting Republicans will come into your district and campaign against your sitting Republican Congressman on whatever personal issue they get their thrills off of. The result-- lack of Republican unity, intra party sniping and backstabbing, and eventual loss of the house. Tancredo and Tanton and the forces of Kookdum can't be allowed this victory. It very well might signal that Bush has lost any influence with the House on controversal issues. That cannot happen

A Cannon victory will do the opposite of all the above. Tancredo will still be there but it might give Republicans hope that they can buck this insanity. It will also empower someone else a little bit. That is Congressman Mike Pence. Mike Pence who is the one of most conservative member of the House has been recentlytrashed by the Tancredo folks. Why, because he had the audacity to propose something disfferent than King Tancredo House Bill on immigration. People are making the unbelivable charge that he is a RINO. For goodness sakes Mike Pence of all people. I thought this was quote by Cannon was interesting
And last week, a local paper published an editorial cartoon titled "Primary Colors" that portrayed Cannon as black-and-blue with bruises and a puffy eye. He was holding a paper with the words "Immigration stance," and the paper was riddled with holes. So Cannon had to laugh when Rep. Mike Pence, R-Ind., proposed a new plan for comprehensive immigration reform just a few weeks ago only to be attacked by people on all sides of the issue. "He came to me and said, 'Chris, how have you suffered these slings and arrows for the past two years?' " Cannon recalled.

Rep Mike Pence is going places. Tancredo very well might be picking on the wrong guy here and this Dog instead of rolling over and playing dead might just bite back. A Cannon victory might help that happen. I will update this later at the bottom with links from area bloggers and papers.

Well as of 3 am Mountain time this what we have. If you wish to see a video of a recent Cannon/Jacob debate click here.

David Rodeback at his Localcommentary blog has endorsed Cannon he has a entry on his thoughts on Cannon and Jacob here HE lives outside the district but has followed the race as well as observed the debates, He also had some thoughts on the canidates going back to State Republican convention. As to the debates I found this observation interesting.
Cannon spoke intelligently about the Pence plan (an immigration compromise, of sorts), and then Jacob said he was at a disadvantage because Cannon can read the bill, whereas he has to rely on what he reads in the newspapers. Frankly, I fail to understand why a Republican congressional candidate could not just pick up the phone, call Representative Pence, and get whatever he wants inside ten minutes, including a draft of the plan (now available on the Web, but perhaps not there before the June 10 debate). Or he could read Pence's speech at the Heritage Foundation, where he described the plan in detail. is a pretty good blog that covers Utal poilitcs well. He covers a lot of the blogs and papers. He has indicated that he is a Cannon supporter. This is one to watch perhaps tomorrow night. I would hit this blog to get a good overview of the race because he seems pretty good at covering the news and political blog scene.. I found this post intriguing that deals with the Bay Buchanan/Tancredo shennigians in the race.

The Utahcentralist describes itsself as a blog in the middle. He has a list of recent articles on the race as well as his views. There is also an link to a Salt Lake's paper of Jacob


The Deseret news has a overview of todays race today here I found this interestingin the article:

A poll published over the weekend by the Deseret Morning News and KSL-TV, conducted by Dan Jones & Associates, found Cannon ahead — 46-33 percent among registered voters in the 3rd District. But 18 percent of voters remained undecided. "That's one of the highest 'undecideds' numbers I've seen so close to a primary election," said Jones, who has polled in Utah for more than 30 years. Among those who said they were "very interested" in the race, Cannon led 49-42 percent, Jones found. The outcome will likely depend on who turns out the most supporters, said Jones

Thats it for now. The papers are getting slow to get their editions on the net so I will check in later
Update II
Oh I as noted above Famous "Conservative"(yes she is our voice on the shows-yuck) Michelle Malkin has gone Kookdum today.But yesterday she posted her thoughts on Cannon, the race, etc/ I think you can guess her views. However here is a link to her latestest pronouncement.It has links to her other pearls of wisdom on this issue.

Monday, June 26, 2006

Good Grief I Need Some LSU Football

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Do you like my friends pictured above? Lord knows I do. I shall be posting more of them this year. In all that is Holy I need some football. To get more specific, I need some lets bleed Purple and Gold LSU Tiger football. I realized that today. More on that in a second. Football of course is loved nationwide, but in the south it is a religion. In the South during the fall our holy day is not Sunday morning in Church, but occurs on Saturday nights as we gather in 100,000 seat stadiums and around our tvs to watch our State teams play. I am ready for that fall feast that seems to go on non stop from the hot days of September to the fall chill at the end of November and the glory of the bowl season. Football down here is just not a saturday event. We talk about it nonstop all week. We listen to every sports show we can get on our dial , and pick up the latest gossip on our internet forums. Let me plug my hangout- . So yes I need more than ever to yell for my Tigers and practice some good ole fashion healthy hate toward Ole Miss(or ole Myth as we call them) and Alabama. They of course will do the same. Its healthy trust me. I realized this today.

Why did I realize it. Well I was driving in the middle of no where Louisiana today and the sports show was boringggg. No football talk on the radio today and since I am about a Thousand miles from Chicago no talk of my beloved Cubs. Now, at times like this when there is no music that is good and no sports and the evening is coming on, I used to pull out my Rosary. However, the last time I was conversing deeply with the Blessed mother while driving at 70 miles a hour,I almost ran smack into a pulpwood wood truck and barely avoided a herd of cows that happened to be in a field where I nearly ended up to avoid an untimely demise. Needless to say I don't pray the Rosary in the car anymore. So what did I do. I turned on Talk radio.

Big mistake. It was the Savage show. The savage show is a big advertisment for the need for National Mental Health Care. Today he had a fill in so I thougt there was hope. So what was the show like? Well it Bit*h, Bit*h, Bit*h, complain, rant, and Bit*h some more. It was Rinse, Wash and Repeat. In 15 minutes I learned that we needed to take our country back from the politicians that are responsible for bad movies, bad neigbors the fall of the boy scouts and the girl scouts, general moral decay, and somehow at the end this was tied into illegal aliens. Then I learned thatBush has a secret plan that will result in having our Children pledge allegiance to the North America Union. This is called Conservative radio. Give me a break.

I have a wonderful idea for those that want to invest in it. Remember those world at war clips our parents and grandparents saw at the movies right before the main feature? It was all about what our brave service people were doing in WWII. It promoted pride and kept people updated. I think we need that. There are a ton of heroic stories and great good that we are doing that is begging to be told. Its a money maker I promise. People would eat that up to see some good ole patrotric God Bless America good news before a movie, on radio, or before their TV show. However till that happens I guess I will just have to have to wait till September where in the evening the radio stations find a way to talk about my blessed Tigers every hour, and I can listen to the SEC roundup on sports radio.

There are other reasons I need and the country needs football. I know a lot of us need a release of the nastiness that is going around in politics. I will go into this later but the whole state of Louisiana needs a big ole distraction and something to root for. Needless to say this past year was in a word - tough. But again, I will later give you my ode to poor ole Louisiana. Right now, I need a fall football game under the lights at Tiger Stadium. I need a day where I can watch football , ogle 19 year old college girls, eat and drink, and hang with friends. All as we participate in that particular pilgramage to our Mecca-The stadium called Death Valley. A place that whether your 2 or 92 everyone is young and everthing is glorious. At least till the start of the game , before you might lose when anything is possible.

Sunday, June 25, 2006

A Further Response to the Council of Conservative Citizens in St Louis

UPDATE- This is a response to a new entry from the Council of Conservative Citizens in St Louis blog. Let me state that this Council is very influental and important in the Council of Conservative Citizens. Which of course is a big element in Kookdom as I call it. I think that several things should be noted that is coming out here.
(1) It is an interesting glance into the Council. Perhaps we shall continue this discussion in the future? This blog so far is the best run info organ of this extremist group that I have found. Its is very current, well written and I am looking forward to see what I find in its archives
(2) As I mentioned, this post here on the site is very important. It is clear as can be picked up in some media and on the net that there are rumors of financial misconduct involving some major people in the Minuteman group and other related associations. It appears that former Minuteman and White Supremicist Joe McCutcheon who is involved in the anti immigration movement was a quite a speaker at this group's convention. Apparently, while he was at the Council of Conservative Citizens Conference he spilled the beans and just came out with what is really going on with the people that Lou Dobbs, Alan Keyes, Tancredo and others just love to death. I have been trying to find a a tape of his remarks. . Of course it could be just hurt feelings in the Kookdum land but I think not. Again, something big might be about to happen. One gets a sense that a lot of money is being made here and it aint going to a fence. This could have big effects on those Congressman and groups that have endorsed these folks. It could shift the debate.

(3) There is something close to an admission that this racist group has had connections with the minuteman project. As the Blogmaster of the CoCC St Louis states the minuteman group is rather a loose confederation of spin offs . Think Al Qadia. But however their association was not "formal" which I take to mean in a legal or public acknowledgement way. I will leave you to decide the context and spirit of his remarks again in the above link on potential misconduct and hsi response to me.

(4) This group did meet with Tancredo. It was not denied at all and I think this man is in influence to know.

(5) That the leadership of the CoCC has big complaints with the current conservative and Republican leadership is not surprising . Of course they would since its Kookdom. However one should, in my view, remember that when they are conducting rallys etc. This is a group that will abandon any connections to mainstream conservatives quick and might strike out as an independent party especially as it becomes more radical. I for one can't wait for that to happen.

(6) You will notice that this leader in the CoCC did not bite at my questions regarding the introductions of some radicals in the Council of Conservative Citizens. These radicals include elements that can be found on the stormfront blog that is also very Aryan, very Nazi, and in effect crazed. He did not bite at my Jewish comments either. There is something to note here. The Council is anti semtic. The Greenwood Mississippi council raised money for the defense of the guy that bombed the churches and the Jewish Temple I believe in Greenville Mississippi if my memory is correct. These events occured in the 60's but he was not brought to trial till the 90's. This perhaps shows some element of disagreement in kookdum. I have noticed on several far extreme aryan and white nazi like sites that they think that the Council is still too Jewish friendly. I chalk this up to the fact the many Council of Conservative Citizen members in the South are fundamentalist and adhere to the idea of the need to support the State of Israel as a part of God's plan. Also, that there were actually pretty good relations between white Southerners and Jews even in those small river towns back in the day. The whole concept and history of what was known as the "jew store" is southern history is pretty fascinating.I might be way off but I have detected despite all the crazy talk of neo cons that a segment there at the Council is not embracing Storm Fronts radical anti Israel rhetoric .

Update II- Mr CoCC responds to this post here. He also wanted to state his position about his blog and its relationship between the CoCC a. By the way Mr CoCcCThe California race is not an indicator. If he couldnt win in a 70 percent Republican district then we might as well hang it up.W e shall revist our friends thoughts in middle America again as time goes by. I did this post in the middle of the night and I have attempted to correct the most glaring of grammatical errors. Yes, I know there is still some here. However posting will be light till tonight. I hope to have the latest on the Cannon/Jacob race as well as a roundup on what some bloggers are saying in Iowa and New Hampshire on the the 08 race. Till then please visit my blogroll.

Well, it seems I am about to break my own rule as I stated below. I am not even going to try to do a small post to get past the two post before I would talk about the extremes again. It seems that my friend at the Council of Conservative Citizens in St Louis is also burning up the midnight oil and has typed out a response. Well, if he typed it I will respond to it. I don't want this to go unanswered. PLus, I do find his answers intriguing, and I think it would be a service to engage him.

I am having huge problems figuring out how to cut and past off his blog. Perhaps you can't with the page type of blog he is using. My computer knowledge is slim as it is and generally I have to bump around till I figure out the solution. You should see me when I try to play around with this template yikes. Anywho I will spend all night trying to figure out how to do it so I will improvise. So lets begin.

For clarity, I will refer to the blog master in St Louis as the CoCC. I realize that he does not say he speaks for the National CoCC and is perhaps not making statements officially for the Council of Conservative Citizens St Louis Branch. But it appears to be about as any thing official we will get as to that chapter. Also CoCC is just easier to type.

What is in bold will be from my original post that come from this link. What is in italics is my paraphrasing of his comments to my bold statements. My response will be in normal type. Again you can view all of the Council's bloggers comments here in his own words. Clear? Yeah probally not Oh well. Here we go.

(1)In fact, as it is using us its has designs to destroy the Republican party.
The CoCC responds that the Republican party is just doing far at that without their help. Also that if the Repubs manage to hold the house its will largely be because of the efforts of Tancredo and Congressman like him.
Well let me say that he and I might agree in part on the first half of his statement. I am not saying that all is glorious in the party of Lincoln. When is it? I would like to see them get spending a tad more under control for instance. However, their peformance has been at times disappointing. The handling of the Dubai terminal deal was dangerous to our foreign policy for instance. At the end of the day I wasn't sure if Rice was Secretary of State or if it was Senator Schumner or Congressman King. The end result was that it seems a bunch of Democrat controlled unions and Democrat doners got a shot at some terminal leases. We got SNOOKERED. That was an big example of how the House Repubs paniced whether than have a debate . There were other cases too. More governing and less listening to ever pronouncement of talk radio. However there was much good. Tax cuts, Bankruptcy reform, etc. IN the end their leadership , despite getting a tad weak in the knees for a moment on the WOT has been supurb.
As to Tancredo. his antics could destroy us. I think we will have a big answer tuesday night in the Cannon/Jacob race. As I have already posted that race will tell us much. As to the immigration issue. I have yet to see that its a huge factor in individual races. In fact it doesn't seem to be saving Senator Santorum at all at the moment. Congressman Hayworth seems to be as in much trouble as ever. Being tough on immigration hasnt helped him. Tuesday night we will have a possible sign of things to come.

(2)That is you can't trust what they say about us because they are all LIBERALS or worse. Well we shall see.
CoCC seems to think that I believe he is referring to me as liberal.
I think this is perhaps a misunderstanding. I did mean to imply that you thought I was liberal. I was trying to point out the defense that I often hear. That is that information, about the such things as the the Council of Conservative Citizens, F.A.I.R. or other Tanton groups, comes off liberal leaning sites and thus is suspect and should not be looked at. That was what I meant there. As for me being a neo con. Well it depends what that means. I hear about ten different definations of that term. If the Bush foreign policy is Neo Con then I am a Neo Con.

(3)At the same time, as a Christian conservative I reject the hate and kookdum.
MR CoCC goes into a huge spill here and its available on the link. I have some knowledge of this Dixie Theology that seems to come from a very particular Reformed tradition. It is very Presbytarian in out look but a very severe branch of it. It also has some Reconstructionalist theology in its most severe elements
Well let me say this. I suspect that we can disagree on the Bible all night long. I am a Roman Catholic and I will stick to her tenets. As I posted on this blog, for instance the attitude toward this immigration issue and these aliens I find to be very unbiblical. Part two of my thoughts on this issue btw will be produced hopefully this week. Second, as to racial equality I have seen no evidence of there being God mandated Racial inequality in the scriptures. We are all one in Christ Jesus.

(4)I also believe that by exposing groups as this pseudo Klan like group , that Republicans I admire will not feel the need to go and pander to them in close elections.
CoCC says that anti defamation league, the poverty center, and the left wing kooksphere has been making claims like this for years. So what is going to change if a few bloggers take this on.--

- Well, first of all its the 21st century. The attitudes of my generation are quite different than the ones that are older that went through the turbulant times of integration. We see fault on all sides and recognize that the racial politics played by militant ethnic groups, no matter their color, is and was a disaster. We are not going to retreat into the policies of David Duke and other racial separtist. Furthermore, something more sinster and complex is happening here. There seems to be an alliance playing out between these radical population control folks represented by FAIR, NUMBERS, CIS, and other Tanton spinoffs and groups such as your own. When the pro-life and Christian community get a wind of that there will be a pox on both your houses I believe. At this point they are pretty much clueless. I will not change the World but I can be a small part of alerting the masses out there to these extremes. The difference is that times have changed. The GOP will remain true to its historical purpose and political bearings. But it will become more browner, blacker, and in the end more color blind. In fact, at times I feel that is why the The Council and other groups fear Latinos so much. Despite all the propaganda their concept of race is quite different from black and whites. In effect they have no problems crossing certain ethnic lines in marrying. That coupled with the fact that marrying Latinos is far less of a taboo in our culture would be a disaster for all the people who want pure white blood and have visions of a seperate white political enity.
Regardless, the GOP is changing not in views but its becoming more diverse skin color wize. We are seeing that with conservative GOP canidates nationwide. Whether they are running for Congress, the Senate, or Governor. The Council of Conservative Citizens is a hindrance to that goal. Plus as I can clearly see ,yall are getting more radical by the day. Especially with the open embrace of such groups as Stormfront. This will accelerate your eventual political insignificance once Conservatives expose that. I hate to say it but the Council of Conservative Citizens is living in a time warp. This Country is moving on. Its our Destiny I believe to be a beacon of hope to the World. As long as we continue in that God will bless us.

(5)I am quite aware of the battle between the CoCC and Morris Dees of the SPLC. I am under no illusion that Mr.. Dees is a member of the Republican party. However, this group has done some good work in exposing hate. Its their niche in the political debate.

CoCC as you can see goes into how the SPLC is getting rich because he scares leftwingers that if they donate money the Nazis will one day throw them into the gas chambers. He agrees with me that the minute men is probally a financial scam but that I should be more concerned about the SPLC.
Well, I will let the SPLC defend themselves. I do know its seems to a source of amusement it appears on both sides for yall to snipe at each other. That is one reason I am doing this. I am not endorsing everything Dees does. In fact he goes off on tangents that are stupid. If I recall correctly, he is about obsessed with the Confederate Battle Flag as yall. I believe he has better things to do than be concerned about issues such as if LSU or OLE Miss fans wave a flag. That being said he has performed a service. HE was one of the first that raised the issues of how Tancredo's friend Tanton was infiltrating Liberal Enviromental groups and actually did the much of the basic research on that element. However, he will be a non factor soon. Soon the truth will be told by conservative organizations and we will not have to filter out his liberal slant.

(6)What the Council fears is that real conservatives and Republicans will start putting them and others under the magnify glass. That is what Subway Canaries, other bloggers , and myself are going to do. In essence the Conservative Right will excise Kookdum from our midst and they fear that.
Well CoCC kinda of goes off and annouces he doesn't care what neo cons do. That he doesnt really give a damn about us and only cares about human beings.
First off, there is about a thousand definations of neo cons out there. So I am not sure what he means. Often neo Con is code for Jewish conspiracies. Sometimes its used for those that believe in free trade. Recently, I have seen it used on some forums as to people that wish to have a one world government. Perhaps he will define it. I suspect he has in his blog but I have not jumped fully into that font of wisdom yet.

As to caring about people. So do we Mr CoCC. That is one reason why the Republican Party has fought to free the slave, to fight for the born and not born. It is the reason why this party is fighting against Euthanasia that certain elements of FAIR, CIS, Numbers , and other "anti immigration groups" would like to see. Its the reason why in the 60's the Republican Congressmen gave the votes needed to pass the legislation to end Jim Crow, that was enslaving both the black and the white and dooming us whites(Speaking for white Southerners) to hatred and endangerment of our souls. Its the reason we fought the battle against communism. A battle that we the Republican Party have largely had to fight alone since Lyndon Johnson left office. We are the ones that are fighting the despotic ways and hatred of radical Islam. We are the party that is again fighting for Freedom in the World in this WOT. This Republican Party that now exist is doing that. The Republican Party of today is shown in the man leading it. George W. Bush. A conservative but with compassion. A compassion and a ethic, and a philosophy that recognizes that every human being has a basic dignity and that when you stomp without regard or consideration of that dignity of some, even the illegals, that none of us are safe. Its a pro family party that believes in the safeguarding of the family. Which also calls it too look at real soultions to what happens in mixed families that include a illegal parent(s) and his legal spouse or even worse American children. It is a Republican Philosophy that is life giving and keeps us from the abuses of the powerful even if those might one day be in the majority

(7)Perhaps the CoCC is mad because they are not getting a cut
CoCC is say that their board of directors will never been sent to prision for wire fraud or other like crimes , and I think making an allusion the the current Minuteman and other leadership

Good gosh please tell us what you know about that. I suspect a lot and you have some well grounded reasons why you think it. May I suggest calling the Federal Attorney with what you know. But he is right. I was being a smart ass there. I have met some of the CoCC folks in Mississippi. They are true believers and monetary gain is not their goal. I recant that they have a profit motive even though it just makes me more scared of you in reality.

(8)We shall follow this development closer here at the Pondering American because it seems that Greed and the almighty dollar is about to triumph over the need to perserve the White race and ship all the illegals(Mexicans) back over the border.
CoCC responds that he has heard that song before. I am not so sure what he is getting at. Is it because he thinks I am cynic? or is it because I am speaking of reality and he is frustrated. I am not sure

(9)Also look at that last line of that entry. What does that mean?
I will quote directly right here because its important. he says "You Can't be that naive. Can you?"
I have to admit Mr CoCC is being incredibly honest and at the same time very tantalizing. This statement I was referring to was in the section where he is talking about all the financial shenniganns out west with all the major players we hear on the news. As I stated before, Subway Canaries is on to that too. His statement was that he was glad that the Council of Conservative Citizens was not "formally" associated with the minutemen and the other organizations he is referencing. Touche Mr CoCC. I do respect your honesty.

(10)My question to the Council of Council of Conservative (hijack word alert) Citizens of St Louis is what are you denying in any of these reports. What do you object to and what do you accept?
Here as you can see that he says there is no such thing as the Klan anymore and all these connections are just too flimsy to be taken seriously as to the Klan or any other group.

Well let me say this. It is true that the Klan was given a almost mortal blow a few years ago by the SPLC. However its still around. There is a resurgance in white power groups and hate groups that is seen by Storm front. Just go to that site and see how many people are browsing it. That is just one There are dozens like that out there. I do not mean to imply that every member of the Council goes and burns crosses at night. I was referring to a mentality. However, I think there is a case building that Tanton's groups are in league at some level with the Council

(11)This is a man that even tried to deny his connections to you but you talk about him in your June 20th 2006 post as now appearing at you glorious convention last weekend.
This is referring to the head of the anti immigration movement and former minuteman pilot from Arkansas. He is being honest and clever and funny so I salute him there

I am skipping the next two comments , because of the late hour but they are pretty good. I never said that racist in kuckdom can't be funny or witty.Basically he said that the MSM makes politicians scared of public associations with them and that he wouldn't mind if they got out of the mainstream Republican party and conservative movements

(12)By the way, the Nation magazine has quoted leaders of the CoCC that Representative Tancredo has met with the President of your Organization and other folks over planning sessions on the immigration issue
Mr CoCC basically says so what. HE was talking to our leaders and guess what they vote too.

Well damn, I thought we were going to get some more tantalizing facts there. But this person of influence is admiting that Tancredo talked to them I think that is significant

(13)The St Louis Council of Conservative Citizens is a pretty big chapter, I think in the whole Council scheme of things.
He says he takes that as a compliment

Ahh sweet :) Seriously this branch of the CoCC is a biggie and from reading his blog its clear he is a man of influence there and in the National Chapter. This is a rare glimpse we are seeing

(14)Just remember when you hear that there are groups protesting against the President Bush's views on immigration to ask these questions. Who is organizing it and who are the main participants
CoCC says just make sure I spell them correctly and throw in how do you join those groups

I am not sure he is ribbing me on my horrible grammer and spelling or he wants to use me as a promotional tool to get the word out on the Council of Conservative Citizens.

We will skip the next funny comment lol

A few points about his disscussion of astro turf. This is exactly what has been alleged against the the anti immigration movement. It is amusing that he is trying to turn this around. I will quote them anyway even though the Council will object because of its source

If any one is reading this and those how I can copy and paste off a blog like his leave it in the comments. I wish I could paste his last response.
Basically he is saying that the pro immigration side has backers too. I suppose he means business etc. HE also mentions all the money we are getting from latino groups, how his views are with 90 percent of the Americans and says we have so much astro turf it would damage football players acl's lol

Let me say that I am just overwhelmed by all the money we are getting(sarc). from Latino groups. To say the least the latino groups have held their fire on a lot of unpleasant things that could be said in media buys. Again, I have referenced polls and other bloggers observation of polls that explodes this myth that 90 percent of Americans think like MR CoCC. I will get into the astro turf debate on a later post

Mr CoCC it has been a pleasure and till we meet again. Also please convert from your troublesome ways. Kumba ya. Next time please tell us more of what you know whats going on out west with Gilchrist and company. Also please explain all this Storm Front stuff/White Power and their connections to the Council next time that you just skipped over.

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